07-12-2015 09:25 PM
Hi Cloudera Team,
I am planning to give Hadoop CCD-410 certification.I am basically working on Mainframes, planning to switch to Big Data side of things.
Now when i see that current CCD-410 is getting replaced by CCP-Data Engineer i have below points.
1) CCP-DE is more hands on course covering entire gamut of Apache Ecosystem where as CCD-410 acts more like that somebody knows basic
of Hadoop and has basic qualification to start working on Hadoop projects.
2) While both the certification have different objectives,completely scratching off CCD-410 does not make sense.People like me can cross train
themselves, get this certification and try their luck in Big data world,whereas CCP-Data Engineer being more hands on under rigorous time
time constraint fits for people who have tried their hand in Big Data projects for 3-5 years.
3) As said earlier,people like me will more likely to go for CCD-410 and then switch to Big Data rather than risk directly taking CCP-DE,and in country
like India these kind people will be atleast tens of thousand.
4) In case,CCD-410 is scrapped,above set of people will be switching to entry level certifications from Hortonworks or MapR etc,which does not
make business sense to cloudera.
In light of above points - i would suggest that ( i can just suggest !!) please keep the 'theorotical' exam like CCD-410 intact (i know it involves
some practical knowledge as well) for entry level proffessionals trying to switch to Big Data side.Maybe you can come out with another version
which covers more Hadoop echo systems in somewhat more details but emphasis should be more on knowing of basics.
Also Exams like CCP-DE would fit the bill of experienced Pro havings hands on Hadoop.
P.S - I would request to take this mail right up to decision making team at the top as this concerns many many proffessionals like me.
07-13-2015 07:53 AM
Thank you for your input and suggestions. It's an interesting feature of the tech industry, this desire to be certified before being able to do anything meaningful; to be certified before one has any skills or can contribute to the job they're being hired to demonstrate those skills.
We hear the opposite complaint more frequently:
- that people who get "minimally-qualified candidate" certifications don't have the skills to do the work
- that our customer hire certified people who have "theoretical knowledge" from reading a book (or using a test dump) and who fail them and cause project failures
- That employers want proof of skills
In Big Data, we have a skills gap, not a desire-to-have-skills gap. We're working with our customers, partners, and community to close the skills gap in meaningful ways that help those communities be successful.
07-13-2015 04:08 PM
Thanks for the reply..While i do understand the fact that cloudera wants to be associated with something very relevant to companies/communities
it works with,i still cannot fathom the fact to completely scrap the exam altogether.
Instead of completely scrapping the exam - the existing certification could have been evolved to be more stringent in terms of level of
questions/practical scenarios covered/demanding better understanding of the echo systems.
What i see here is - the number of cloudera certified folks will go down drastically (currently people with 3-5 years of experience also do not
have the range of echo systems covered practically as expected in CCP-DE).Hence CCP-DE will remain the option for select elite,with entry
level folks will be forced to look for other alternatives.
07-13-2015 04:20 PM
"Instead of completely scrapping the exam - the existing certification could have been evolved to be more stringent in terms of level of
questions/practical scenarios covered/demanding" is an exact definition of the CCP exam.
We're changing the name rather than evolving because evolving is illegal -- a credential must defensibly equal across time.
Who said it would take 3-5 years experience? The first people who beta tested scored perfect or near-perfect scores and they don't have 3-5 years experience.(and time is a very poor marker of experience -- what takes one person three days to master takes others a lifetime.)
Perhaps you should take the exam before you judge it.
07-15-2015 10:56 PM
SO does one need to prepare directly for the CCP-DE exam and not to enroll for CCD-410...
actually i was planning to enroll for CCD-410 exam.. but if it is no longer available in future then the certificate may also not carry more value
bcause the exam itself will be no more available..
07-15-2015 11:54 PM
07-16-2015 12:39 PM
I am preparing for CCP - Data Engineer. Is there any practice exam available or about to be launched that we can practice before the exam. It seems that Hortonworks has (HDP Certification Practice Exam) with practice exams on ec2 instances at around 30 cents/hour. Is Cloudera planning to launch something similar for CCP - Data Engineer certification. If it is already there then could you please share the information.
07-16-2015 02:21 PM
07-17-2015 10:01 AM
I agree with Syed Rizvi.
Cloudera’s thought process does not make much sense. “It's an interesting feature of the tech industry, this desire to be certified before being able to do anything meaningful”
Why someone should not get a certification before hands on experience?
What about our college degrees? We learn, write exam and get degree/certification from universities before hands on work experience. So is that not how it is supposed to be?
After investing a lot of time and money, I recently got Cloudera Hadoop Developer certification and I just read about the Data Engineer. They both seem to very different and they both could complement each other and stay together.
Hadoop Developer can be more at entry level/developer level certification and DE can be at Solutions/Architect level certification. I do not see any reason why they should not exist together.
Also I do not buy the concept of exams cannot evolve. If that is the case, then the rate at which new tech/frameworks are coming out every month in Big Data ecosystem, within 4-6 months the tech and the exams (even DE) will become obsolete. That is why there are versions of same exam I guess.
If companies are saying that by hiring Hadoop developers their expectations are not met, then they can simply hire DE Certified consultants and pay them well. For those companies who cannot afford high paying consultants and looking at entry level developers (at a relatively lower pay) whom they want to groom, train, they can look at Hadoop Developer certified consultants. So basically give them both options and let them decide. Similar to Oracle Java Programmer and Oracle Java Enterprise Architect etc.
What Syed and me too saying is just to maintain both certifications active.
Not only companies, people like us also invest lot of time and money to learn and get certified. If that is not respected and ignored then it is very demoralizing and then they will look for alternatives. I am already beginning to look at MapR now.
So I hope Cloudera will consider and keep the Apache Hadoop Developer certification active.
07-18-2015 06:36 AM
I agree with Rizvi. Even I'm a Mainframe guy with no prior knowledge either on hadoop/Java. CCD-410 certificate is more helpful in a way that for someone like us who can enter into the Bigdata world(a key to front door!!) so that we can use this key to explore what's really inside in the room (hands on !!). So i think there is no need of completely scarping the CCD-410. Kindly look into our suggerstions.
P.S : I have been preparing for this CCD-410 and decided to take up in a month or so. Will it be availabe till that period or how long will it be availabe if Coludera really want to scrap the exam ?