I could introduce HDP in the company because getting new stacks/software in a public company requires frame agreements. The "open source" aspect resulted in choosing Hortonworks (vs Cloudera) at that time. Comparision: for products such as RHEL you have alternatives (CentOS)
Like this our team could get experience with HDP for more then one year long after that we had all the possibilities to buy both HDP and HDF : once the paperwork was finished.
Also it is easier for evaluation.
In my opinion a model such as Elasticsearch or Confluent for Kafka uses is better.
Just protect important components for running the stack at 'enterprise' scale, with security, support... (things cloud vendors would 'misuse') by using subscriptions.
"Hiding" the base binary distribution is just utterly stupid (adoption etc)
Also very important is the quality of the documentation. There is a difference....
This is a major change for the HDP distribution at least, which was supposed to remain open source and freely available. Do you actually need to have a paid license/subscription to get access to HDP 3.1.5+ repositories now ?
For what it's worth, from an engineering/R&D point of view, more of us are going to be contributing to open source projects than before.
The binary distribution does require a subscription (beyond the trial period), similar to how Red Hat does things.
Red Hat is similar, but offers CentOS as a 100% binary compatible distribution.
Not offering openly a binary build can lead to fewer customers and adoption in the end.
Enterprise who want to have support will pay for a support subscription anyway. The others you don't need....
Can't agree more. I don't know RedHat products which don't have alternative binaries available without subscriptions.
RHEL -> CentOS
MRG Messaging -> Apache QPID
JBoss EAP -> Wildfly
Data Grid -> Infinispan
Fuse -> ServiceMix
This could be the endless discussion, but the whole thing is Getting Support = Valid Subscription
You can always try the repo for evaluation purpose meant for trial by just registering you email, but at the end of the day in Enterprise if you need support then you will come at same point.
True, this could be an endless debate since it's already done! I expected the Cloudera Express edition to be discontinued at least in a major release, not in a minor release! (6.3.3)
Well, this is then. Open or close, there is no way to use CDM/CDH for free anymore to build something and then ask for a budget. I am sorry but in public they don't pay these prices just because we tried something for a short period of time. They need actual proof of concept as to why something expensive is good.
We are already in Feb, Are we making CDP (cloudera manager etc) open source? Earlier It was said, It would be open sourced in Feb 2020.
Right now CDP 7.x is only available with trails for 2 months OR its a dead end without Subscription.
@Tim Armstrong that is great !
Is the source now available ? and the documentation to build the source ?
I am pretty sure the community will simply rally around and build something up with enough pointers.
I agree with @PieterB hiding the base binaries is silly.
Did the HDP model have any failures ?
Enterprises which needed support bought it anyway.
Keeping it free increased adoption.